1. Regardless of the mother's race, the vast majority of the children in foster care are Black men's children. Let's call these Black biological fathers "Ray-Ray" during this post.
Really? Not according to the Child Welfare Information Gateway website.
Of the estimated 510,000 children in foster care on September 30, 2006:
40 percent were White/Non-Hispanic
32 percent were Black/Non-Hispanic
19 percent were Hispanic
9 percent were other races or multiracial
32 percent were Black/Non-Hispanic
19 percent were Hispanic
9 percent were other races or multiracial
While math was not my strongest subject, I am almost certain that 32% is not a "vast majority". Even if every single one of the 9% of the multiracial kids had a Black father, it still wouldn't be a "vast majority".
In addition to that
The percentage of Black/Non-Hispanic children in care on September 30 dropped 7 percentage points (from 39 to 32 percent) between FY 2000 and FY 2006, while the percentage of White/Non-Hispanic children rose 2 points and the percentage of Hispanic children rose 4 points.
RealityCheck: When any kid is required to be in a foster care, it is a tragedy, regardless of the child's race. And the number of Black kids in foster care, even though not as bad as Khadija is trying to portray, is still far far from an ideal situation. However, that does not give the SSC the right to abuse the truth in their desperate to escape their Black womanhood, which is their ultimate goal no matter what they say. Unfortunately for them, there is no escape. No matter how White the man, these Black women of the SSC will never become White women.
And to the women of the world who continue to spread their legs to the "Ray Ray's" of the world: PLEASE STOP FUCKING THEM! Or at the very least use one of the several methods of birth control. You are not a victim nor powerless (not including incidences of actual rape). It is nobody's damn fault but your own that you can't resist raw dick.
The same Black women who blame "Ray Ray" for all of their problems and think white men are going to save them are deluding themselves. In the end the few SSC members that can find White men are only going to trade in "Ray Ray" for "Billy Bob Ray". Then who will they have to blame?
26 comments:
Rev. Lisa had a post on this on her blog about black women needing to stop misusing their reproduction power. Unless it's rape we women have control over who the father of our child will be and in what situation we will be bringing the child into. The woman has to learn that she is the one who has to carry that baby to term and she is the one who decides the baby's situation when they get here.
Also this a little off topic but with these kind of numbers as a whole Conservatives shouldn't be beating down on people about birth control since they don't want them to abort the child but they don't want to help those kids after they get here.
truth b told said:
In the end the few SSC members that can find White men are only going to trade in "Ray Ray" for "Billy Bob Ray". Then who will they have to blame?
Menelik replied:
The Black man, of course lol
Menelik Charles
London England
Truth,
Khadijah readily makes outlandish, ridiculous, UNSUBSTANTIATED claims under the guise of "trust me, I work with degenerates in the legal system I know what I am talking about."
Pssssh. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even have a law degree and was just a court clerk or something.
Anyway, all it takes is a few seconds on google to tear apart this movement. They know that the black women they "speak" to are so desperate and looking for anyone to blame for their loneliness that they won't investigate the claims they make.
They are JUST like the black pimp preachers they so readily bash. Same M.O. and the same use of "fire and brimstone".
"Regardless of the mother's race, the vast majority of the children in foster care are Black men's children. Let's call these Black biological fathers "Ray-Ray" during this post."
Khadija does not need me or anyone else to defend her, but I'm thinking she was probably referring to the foster care system in the Chicago area - which is the area where she lives/works and, therefore, the area she knows best. Of course, if that's the case she should have said this.
Khadija's essay, by the way, addressed a recent article that suggested there was a trend among single, educated, middle class black women who have not found Mr. Right by age 35: adopting black children currently in the foster care system.
The POINT of Khadija's essay was that black women shouldn't adopt these black children because they are probably damaged beyond repair (DBR). In other words, Ray Ray's bastards are mostly genetic losers (i.e., they have the genes of their deviant/stupid/criminal daddies and crack addicted mamas) who will do nothing but cause their adoptive black mothers grief in the future and seriously harm (if not destroy) their chances to marry a "quality man".
I'm surprised that no one here has remarked on the POINT of Khadija's essay.
@Anon: So you saying my oldest sister who my father adopted was Damaged beyond prepare when he got her? How ridiculous! For your information my sister who my father adopted as a baby is not a successful real estate agent with her own business in VA AND she's happily married with 3 children. Also have you ever thought that so of those babies are in foster care because their parents are DEAD and didn't have any family members to take care of them?!So that what you have just said and what you said Khadijah was implying is a bunch of bullshit darling.
Khadija does not need me or anyone else to defend her, but I'm thinking she was probably referring to the foster care system in the Chicago area - which is the area where she lives/works and, therefore, the area she knows best.
That statement is not congruent with someone who claims that Black women need to remove themselves from all Black constructs and see more of the world.
The POINT of Khadija's essay was that black women shouldn't adopt these black children because they are probably damaged beyond repair (DBR).
What business is it of her's how someone decides to construct their family?
In other words, Ray Ray's bastards are mostly genetic losers (i.e., they have the genes of their deviant/stupid/criminal daddies and crack addicted mamas) who will do nothing but cause their adoptive black mothers grief in the future
so you completely believe in nature over nuture? I am sure you will protest loudly when other ascribe attributes to you based on who you are and not what you do or experience
and seriously harm (if not destroy) their chances to marry a "quality man".
I can guess what is meant by "quality".
I'm surprised that no one here has remarked on the POINT of Khadija's essay.
The point of my essay was to point out how little Khadija cares about truth and accuracy.
In other words, Ray Ray's bastards are mostly genetic losers (i.e., they have the genes of their deviant/stupid/criminal daddies and crack addicted mamas) who will do nothing but cause their adoptive black mothers grief in the future and seriously harm (if not destroy) their chances to marry a "quality man".
This is the same argument white supremists make with regard to white men fathering children with ANY black women. The feel that the children will be "genetic losers". I guess you subscribe to that?
Khadija does not need me or anyone else to defend her, but I'm thinking she was probably referring to the foster care system in the Chicago area
Anon, she has had a few days to address this and change it, but she has let the lie continue on. Which goes to her intentions.
Reading her notes, I think someone tried to contact her about it but she is not concerned with facts or the truth, only getting her way.
Responsible parents do not lose custody of their kids to the foster care system. Responsible parents do not have their kids taken away from them and placed for adoption. It does not happen.
What kind of "parents" lose custody of their biological children to the foster care system/adoption? The answer: mostly "deviant, low I.Q., felon males (who don't want the bastards anyway) and drug/sex addicted females.
I KNOW the above is true because I've spent more years than I care to remember WORKING for the "welfare system" (nowadays called the Department of Job and Family Services {DJFS}).
Do I believe in nature over nurture? Well, before I started working for the DJFS I would have said that good parenting can "fix" any child. I no longer believe that based on what I have SEEN in my life and work. I have seen co-workers actually adopt children (usually girls) and end up regreting it big time. By the way, most of the SINGLE black women who adopt, adopt girls. The boys are being left to rot in the foster care system, for the most part. Single women are afraid of boys who are going to be teenagers and then men. I have had black women tell me that they would NOT be able to stand it if they adopted a male child and he ended up going to jail/prison OR dead.
In my first comment I said:
Khadija does not need me or anyone else to defend her, but I'm thinking she was probably referring to the foster care system in the Chicago area - which is the area where she lives/works and, therefore, the area she knows best.
Your response:
That statement is not congruent with someone who claims that Black women need to remove themselves from all Black constructs and see more of the world.
My response:
I was merely speculating on what her intentions might have been. My bad. Anyway, what's wrong with black WOMEN removing themselves from all black contructs? Black MEN who can afford to leave all black constructs do it ALL THE TIME. And what's wrong with black women seeing more of the world?
Anyway, what's wrong with black WOMEN removing themselves from all black contructs? Black MEN who can afford to leave all black constructs do it ALL THE TIME. And what's wrong with black women seeing more of the world?
Absolutely nothing. I applaud and encourage anyone who wishes to expand their horizons whether it is education or travel or marriage.
My point was if Khadija is going to claim that the world should be explored, then wouldn't it make sense for her info to include the world and not just her construct?
I am not against Black women expanding their horizons. I am against Black women who feel the need to debase Black men to justify expanding their horizons.
@Rocky
So you are the Ike Turner, Khadija was referring to. lol
Read below how Khadija responded to Rocky's comment which she would not allow to be posted on HER blog:
"An Internet Ike Turner just submitted some comments that I (of course) rejected.
(1) I WON'T give publicity to any Internet Ike Turners or their blogs. The same way I won't give publicity to racist blogs. I'm NOT part of these individuals' public relations machinery.
(2) I have NO interest in wasting my time attempting to dialogue with Internet Ike Turners. It's just a bad-faith, deceptive trick that they use to try to disrupt Black women's blog conversations.
However, I will mention this one question raised by this particular "Ike." Only because I hear similar questions from confused AA women.
The Internet Ike Turner asked, "So what should be done with these children? Do we not give them the chance for a normal lifestyle? I doubt that Foster care would provide that."-
What should be done with these children? BLACK MEN should adopt these children. All of the numbers of good, caring, decent BM should open their hearts and open their homes to these children.
There's NOTHING stopping caring BM from doing this, regardless of their marital status. Since many (if not most) states allow openly gay people to adopt, they don't have problems with single BM adoptive parents.
This is similar to how there's NOTHING stopping BM from supporting scholarships for Black males, or marching in support of other BM, or doing anything else to meet their various needs.
I would expect that those BM bloggers who are genuinely concerned about any of this would use at least a small fraction of their blogging time to recruit other caring BM to adopt these children.-
With justice in mind."
So how about it Rocky and Truth be Told? Instead of having a hissy fit about what single, educated, middle-class black women should or should not be doing (which after all, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS), why don't black men (including yourselves) adopt these black children?
"Now they are claiming that the out-of-wedlock birth rate is 82% for black Americans. Where is this from?"
We've always "heard" that 70% of black children are born OOW. Now some are saying it's 82%. Whether it's 70% or 82%, it's TOO high.
Even if the OOW birthrate for blacks is "only" 70%, it's still higher than ANY other racial/ethnic group. Get it!
Instead of having a hissy fit about what single, educated, middle-class black women should or should not be doing (which after all, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS), why don't black men (including yourselves) adopt these black children?
Point 1: When Khadija (or anyone) tell lies about Black men, it becomes our business.
Point 2: Like I said in my original reply, it is none of Khadija's goddamn business how anyone want's to live their live or design their family. If those Black women chose to adopt those kids then that is their choice.
It is not other BW responsibility to make other BW look desirable to White men.
Just because you are a BW doesn't mean shit to other BW, they are not looking to Khadija on how to live their lives.
The world doesn't care about what the Something Screwed Crew dictates. Especially since you can't be bothered by the truth. Talking about reciprocation when they don't listen to anyone who dares disagree with them?
The world will go on it's way whether those women like it or not.
If I were Khadija I could accuse you of trying to change the topic of this conversation which is not about adoption or OOW birthrates, but about Khadija's dishonesty. Then I would label you a troll and then ban you and your posts.
However I won't do that as I welcome all discussion as long as it is not purely ad hominem. Unlike the SSC, I am not afraid of differing opinions, which sometimes can lead to a truth that we don't want to face.
"If I were Khadija I could accuse you of trying to change the topic of this conversation which is not about adoption or OOW birthrates, but about Khadija's dishonesty. Then I would label you a troll and then ban you and your posts."
But you're not going to that, are you, because you are supposed to be a MAN. Khadija is a WOMAN and many women like to maintain a sense of SAFETY and CONTROL in their space that men don't necessarily need.
Anyway, I haven't changed the subject. Your friend, Rocky, raised the question at Khadija's blog and she addressed HIS question even though she wouldn't allow his actual comment to be posted. I merely brought Rocky's unposted comment (at Khadija's blog) and her response to to it here.
So how about it Rocky and Truth be Told? Instead of having a hissy fit about what single, educated, middle-class black women should or should not be doing (which after all, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS), why don't black men (including yourselves) adopt these black children?
First of all, we are not saying what single, middle-class black women should or should not be doing. That is what Khadija is doing. She is telling them NOT to adopt. What business is it of hers?
There are kids in foster care who need stable homes. When there are those desiring to adopt such kids, whether the adopters are men, women, black, or white, why try to discourage them from doing so? Is this so called black female empowerment movement so self centered that they have reached the point of "screw the children"?
Nearly half of foster homes are run by single parents. So it is not necessarily a case of a single person taking a foster kid from a two parent environment. They would simply be placing those kids in more stable environments and it is cruel and callous for some blogger to try and discourage willing adopters from giving homes to innocent kids who have no fault in their current circumstances.
I would never criticize someone who doesn't want to adopt and I would never criticize someone who does. It's an individual thing. I am all for single black men adopting if they desire to do so. I would never discourage anyone from giving a kid a stable home is they desire to do so.
***Sitting in a tree watching this grinning like a Cheshire Cat with eyes like a Raven in waiting***
But you're not going to that, are you, because you are supposed to be a MAN. Khadija is a WOMAN and many women like to maintain a sense of SAFETY and CONTROL in their space that men don't necessarily need.
This is simply an excuse for a double standard.
Actually, the need and desire for CONTROL is a male characteristic. What it really amounts to is that many women can't stand to be challenged. Men tend to embrace challenge.
In this case, I would say if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. In other words, if you don't want to be challenged, don't do any challenging yourself and these IR bloggers challenge black men by the repeated bashing they partake in daily.
You all repeatedly criticize black men for venturing outside of the race for women. Well isn't it a MAN thing to be sexually adventurous; to conquer a variety of women? Being that this is a man thing, why do you complain so much about it?
You see, double standards go both ways.
"You all repeatedly criticize black men for venturing outside of the race for women. Well isn't it a MAN thing to be sexually adventurous; to conquer a variety of women? Being that this is a man thing, why do you complain so much about it?"
I'm not complaining about it. The BW empowerment bloggers are teaching black women not to complain OR CARE about who black men sex. Black men can sex who they want. Like Steve McNair. lol
What they (the BW empowerment bloggers) are trying to teach black women is to "venture outside the race for MEN" - QUALITY MEN.
"Actually, the need and desire for CONTROL is a male characteristic."
Apparently you've never worked with smart, POWERFUL women. Women BOSSES can be very controlling. I know this for a fact.
You know what
Tell Khadija this from me Laurelton Queens.
How does she know that black men are NOT ADOPTING these children. Many black women that adopt are older married couples. Nobody ever talks about that. My ex girlfriend's father adopted her and he was a pastor. The pastor and his wife have raised like 12 children in their lifetime.
Khadija is a coward because she does not like anybody challenging her opinions. She is the same person that says "put black children" in concentration camps. She also said they should "punish single black mothers" shun them.
I listened to her at first and then she turned into a "crackpot".
These black women "choose" to adopt. How does single black men equate to black women "willing" to do so. Me personally, I want my own children. At some point, black women need to take personal responsibility for their actions!
I don't knock other black people for adopting.
This is what bothers me about the whole adoption thing. It is really a damn shame kids should suffer like this for the careless mistakes some black women make.
From my observation your life has to be in a damn shambles to lose your kids. I know from personal experience. Everybody has indirectly attacked my fiancee for losing her kids (her ex boyfriend got 1 of the kids).
I am not here to clean up her mess. She know what she did was wrong. She can't get her kids back because they been adopted.
I wasn't in her life when that happened. I can only live my own life. So I know both sides of the issue. I still stand on my beliefs concerning kids being treated like this. God can only judge these women at the end of the day.
All I know is my child would never go into foster care. Even if me and child had to live homeless on the street to avoid the authorities.
Every child should have the opportunity to have a decent life. Even if it is a foster parent. The sellout black girls say what if the kids were crack babies and abused.
So fucking what, even if they were. They are not human beings.
Bottom line, I more than likely wouldn't adopt. I want my own kids. I don't knock those who do adopt. Nobody should knock another person for not WANTING to adopt. Adoption is not for everyone.
The black women's movement is not accomplishing anything constuctive in my opinion. It has done more harm than good to other black women's psyche, because some of these women's hatred associated with anything black is so twisted and polluted. They would have other black women to believe that being black is a sin in itself, but to align themselves with black men is a fate worse than hell. If these women are so concerned about black children being adopted, they should convince more of the white men they involve themselves with to adopt these children.
"This is the same argument white supremists make with regard to white men fathering children with ANY black women. The feel that the children will be "genetic losers". I guess you subscribe to that?"
That's why there's a dilemna among white men between their entitlement to sexual freedom with all races of women and maintain white racial purity and privilege. For interracial relationships involve procreation. The way they solve such problem is to classify their offspring as Black, initiate and promote the one-drop rule, that the offspring of black/white IRs are black, therefore denied the rights of their fathers, antimiscegenation laws and segregation.
Anonymous,
Yes, your white knight should want to provide you and your children with the best the world has to offer, since you believe they are reign supreme above all other males.
Guess I'll never get my anwser. **Shrugs**
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